This seems appropriate

Not written here in.. ooh.. a long time, but just wanted to leave this here:

"For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them. "  - Thomas More

The quote above was written in the 16th century. Seems quite appropriate today. (Tassja showed me it, and we were both keen to put it in view).

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Sage wisdom from such a vicious man... Let me guess, does he then go on to say we should burn the parents as well as the children? Or am I getting my Thomas Mores mixed up?

Heh, I'm not sure he did, I wasn't there :P

This is the same man that wrote Utopia and I think he was very much a product of the time, against the reformation, and atheism was seen as one of the worst evils society could inherit. I think it's fairly well assumed (although not proven) that he held and possibly also tortured protestants at his home when he was chancellor to Henry VIII. Apparently he admitted to the former, but denied the latter charge.

Do you have a quote or something to refer to?

Regardless, even out of context, perhaps it's better to take a positive message to heart. Even if back then it was common practice to burn people for their beliefs.

The quote is from Utopia & is part of the argument used by the character Raphael against the death penalty used to punish thieves in England. He talks about how the thieves are the product of situation. The situation in the book being the displacement of the lower class people by the high demand for a specific type of wool which the rich preferred. This meant their home ground was taken over for mass sheep farming. As they were not sheep farmers themselves, they ended up with no land, no work and no hope. He then goes on to talk about another land that deals with thieves by not either killing or imprisoning them, but by making them repay society by working for the public. Thus making sure they are neither idle or thieving.

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